Alora 0:00

Hello and welcome back to the Wedding Atelier podcast. Today I have a special guest with me, Scott from Imagine ai, but he's actually gonna be talking about his photography journey and how the pandemic propelled him to being a niche proposal wedding photographer. He is successful, profitable, turning inquiries and bookings away by ranking number one on Google, using SEO. So Scott, welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited to have you on. Can you walk us through this journey? Because you said you started off in portraits. And then the pandemic propelled you to just picking a niche and you're doing incredible, so, yeah.

Scott 0:39

Before the pandemic, I was photographing families a lot.

Alora 0:43

Mm-hmm.

Scott 0:43

my primary of everything that I was doing. I would be photographing headshots I would also do a lot of cake smash sessions for like one year olds, which is

Alora 0:52

Yeah.

Scott 0:53

also really annoying. Especially the cleanup. And during the pandemic, my brother-in-law was planning on proposing to his girlfriend at the time they're now married. Actually the day we're recording this, they're at their third anniversary. yesterday. So um,

Alora 1:09

Yay.

Scott 1:10

yay. And so, he said to me, I'm proposing this is where I'm gonna do it, and I would love for you to come and document it. Photograph it and stuff. She was so surprised. She was even, she was excited that she saw me photographing it of, you know, not just some random person. But it went really well. And then another friend asked the same it was like two weeks later and I said, wait a minute. if I'm gonna be photographing these proposals,

Alora 1:39

Hmm.

Scott 1:40

I've already had a YouTube channel teaching photographers and stuff, so I said, let me document I do it. So I documented literally every step. 'cause I am, I am a planner, right? So I used the app photo pills to plan my photo sessions. I use Google earth, Google Maps. I used, you name it, if it's a planning tool, I used it to make sure I got it right. And. So I documented everything and then I started writing blog articles about how I would plan it and everything. And then I started blogging about the actual sessions, right, and how they went and all that stuff. Even talking about how Google Maps, street view and Google Earth like my brother-in-laws. There was a lot of trees that I could have hidden behind if I went by the Google. Street view and Google Earth views, right? There was trees, but when I actually got there, all those trees were cut down. There was no trees. So like talking about, you know, you gotta expect the unexpected cause you never know. When I was photographing the friends, literally hiding in a bush, in a bush next to a public restroom. And sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to not lack of better word, expose yourself a

Alora 2:56

Unintended.

Scott 2:57

unintended. I started documenting and putting out video content about it. And then I created a landing page for proposals and more blog articles I think it's called the skyscraper technique, where you've got a landing page and then there's like all this other content that's linked within it to then help push the main keyword from the landing page from all his blog content. It just pushes it all up, right? So after content proposal after proposal, I would just keep doing them. And pretty fast it became, if you're searching for a proposal photographer in New Jersey, was the one that would come up. Number one.

Alora 3:36

Wow.

Scott 3:37

I have competition. You wouldn't think it with a very specific niche, but I do

Alora 3:43

Mm-hmm.

Scott 3:44

Most of them do weddings, do families, but then also do proposals. I am the only that's doing just proposals. So it really does help to get it out there. And I'm not just talking like Google or Bing, I'm talking chat, JPT, Google Gemini Claude, you search in these LLMs, these, you know, AI tools for a proposal photographer in New Jersey. You're not getting many results. You're getting. a list of five to 10 people and I'm either coming up one or two depending on which AI tool you use. So, it's really interesting.

Alora 4:20

That is interesting. So a lot of questions come up, but one of them is like, people probably think or are terrified to just niche down to one thing. People say, oh, well I can't just do maternity, I can't just do, motherhood or portraits or proposals, which I know proposals was a niche. I just thought, oh, wedding photographer will shoot an occasional proposal. So what could you say to somebody who's thinking, how in the world are you able to niche down and be so specific, but still get so much traction and also get so much business from just specializing in one thing?

Scott 4:56

Yeah. So the thing that people have to. Think when they are considering a niche is for one, if I was to go search for a wedding photographer

Alora 5:07

Mm-hmm.

Scott 5:08

location, there's thousands, right? The competition is huge.

Alora 5:13

Yeah.

Scott 5:14

for something that's very niche, the competition is there, but very, very small. Now, as a proposal photographer doesn't mean I'm going to turn away a family session if I get one. It doesn't mean I'm gonna turn away like a full engagement session if I want, right. It also doesn't mean I have to turn away a wedding if I don't want to. It just means I'm marketing myself as the proposal photographer. But it also doesn't mean I need to take on all that extra work if I don't have the bandwidth. I have the fortunate. where I don't need to take on all this photography work. I also have two young kids. I have a family. I've got stuff going on, so I also don't have the time to take on too much work. So, I don't always take the family sessions. Sometimes I do. And it's kind of like you can upsell them, right? So there's a way to take, what could be a smaller. Priced job, a proposal session then do an add-on. And now I'm charging a lot more. 'cause now I get a family session with the extended family, et cetera. often the proposal client asking me to photograph, the dinner party they're having right after. And again, I don't always do them because I wanna get back home to my kids, so

Alora 6:33

Yeah.

Scott 6:34

'em. so there's a lot of upsell opportunities beyond just what you're niching for, and at the same time, there's referral potential, so lots of opportunities beyond just this small thing that you're offering.

Alora 6:49

Yeah, and I was gonna ask you about that too because we talked about it briefly in the green room about how you don't wanna book absolutely everything, but. Have you thought about having some kind of referral system how does that work?

Scott 7:02

I don't think it's as common with wedding to wedding, I think it may not be that common smaller niche to like wedding for example.

Alora 7:11

Mm-hmm.

Scott 7:12

I could see if I was to show I have a list of six friends that are in the state. I'm in New Jersey, six friends that I have. I literally have a bullet list in an Apple note. That when somebody asks, when I'm referring, I just copy paste that list. That unless I take somebody out depending on the location, right? So I know where everybody is. So if it's like North Jersey, I'm not including the people in South Jersey.

Alora 7:34

Sure.

Scott 7:35

but I know that if I was to have a call with each of those people and I said, look I. I'm getting so many leads that I can't take, and I'm referring a lot of them to, I have been for four years now. If you gave me X amount per referral that you book, I'd be, you know, really happy if you were to do that. guarantee that they would do that, especially. A lot of these photographers also do weddings. So if they booked a wedding, they're making way more than that, right? If they do a proposal wedding and they get the upsells for the albums and they get the upsells for the engagement sessions, there's no way they're gonna say no to like a two to $500 commission, whatever it is. And that's just, to the lead's perspective, you're being a nice person by giving them referrals to people you trust. Right. Which I, again, I'm doing anyway, to the wallet. it's a whole nother thing. Right. so being able to bring in more income would be really nice. And the potential, I did the math on my own based on the volume I'm doing each year of proposals, I was to do it and collect commissions plus do more upsells on family sessions, et cetera, I could easily make somewhere around the $200,000 range It's insane.

Alora 8:51

Like that's, that's mind blowing to me.

Scott 8:53

and I don't think many people are asking, and I could be wrong and I would love to know if I'm wrong, but I don't think many people are asking other photographers for referral commissions. I really don't.

Alora 9:04

Hmm.

Scott 9:05

And again, I'm guilty of it. I'm not doing it.

Alora 9:07

But is it normal? Like, is that a standard thing in different niches

Scott 9:11

Oh, in other industries, it's very

Alora 9:14

Mm-hmm.

Scott 9:14

to get referral commissions on things.

Alora 9:16

Oh, just for example, off the top of my head, let's say I decide I wanna do this, and I'm like, Hey, this is my five people I'm going to email. I'm getting tons of inquiries. I would love to send them to you in exchange for x. Is that something you're interested in? And that's it.

Scott 9:31

very. I mean, again, you're gonna do it to people that you're friendly with already, not just

Alora 9:35

Sure.

Scott 9:35

photographer. Right. And it might even be, like, in my case, it's been years of referring the same people to all these

Alora 9:42

Mm-hmm.

Scott 9:43

So they're booking. A lot more than they might have otherwise.

Alora 9:48

Mm-hmm.

Scott 9:48

24, 20 25, going as we're going into 2026, soon enough. a lot of bookings are down for people, right? So the more they can get from you, the happier they're gonna be. Which as a friendship that's great, but also as a thing is great for their business. So I can't see somebody saying no when you're asking for something. Return for after doing it for years of not asking for anything.

Alora 10:15

Yeah, I love this for a networking strategy. I haven't even thought about this. Like in, you know, like the four-part system of like, okay, there's collabs, there's word of mouth, but essentially this is a peer-to-peer networking thing, Sending an inquiry that could possibly be worth, you know, five to 10 grand.

Scott 10:32

Yeah.

Alora 10:33

I have a question then too, just even about, I'm very like in awe about this proposal niche taking off like this. So I just, I have questions. What does the sales process look like? Because you say there's upsells, there's downsells. What do people purchase of their proposal? Images? Do they purchase books? Do they have this huge print of them on one knee? Like, I can't picture this, so I'm really interested in what you kind of come across.

Scott 11:00

so some people are gonna love this, some people are gonna hate this. 'cause, you know, there's that 50 50 coin flip of people who love IPS and people who don't care for IPS, et cetera. I am offering them a gallery with low res digitals that they can share on Facebook and share with their friends and family all they want. If they want the high res, they have to pay

Alora 11:21

Mm.

Scott 11:22

If they buy the prints, they get high res with it.

Alora 11:26

Okay.

Scott 11:26

prints if they want to then print on their own or whatever they wanna do with those high res.

Alora 11:31

Hmm.

Scott 11:31

so my average proposal job is higher than my session fee because people are buying prints and buying digitals and stuff like that. But I'm not pushing, I use pick times like automation.

Alora 11:45

Mm-hmm.

Scott 11:46

have their like the anniversary sale, automations, all that stuff. So, you know, pick time is working for me a way, doing some sales because I don't have the time for it. So,

Alora 11:57

It's literally passive income. You press a button and then people just pay thousands of dollars worth of prints. Crazy.

Scott 12:03

Yeah.

Alora 12:04

So that's your IPS is like digital.

Scott 12:07

in a

Alora 12:07

like DPS.

Scott 12:08

yeah. pick times automation. Just do that part for me. If I had to, actually be getting on a call, doing a gallery reveal and trying to. talk to them about a book they probably wouldn't want an, Album,

Alora 12:21

Mm-hmm.

Scott 12:22

they're gonna be getting that for their wedding. But there's still some profit in books, so I

Alora 12:26

Like a photo book.

Scott 12:27

I went to college for photography and I knew going into it, if I did it full time, I'd hate photography and I love photography, so I don't wanna hate it. So I've always worked on this side of the industry, basically educating doing the community aspect and hosting podcasts, and doing that stuff.

Alora 12:45

You're a busy man.

Scott 12:46

I'm a busy man.

Alora 12:47

So busy, man. Walk me through what SEO keyword research looked like for you to be number one

Scott 12:55

Yeah.

Alora 12:55

as a proposal photographer.

Scott 12:58

So the beautiful thing about a niche is it leaves your keywords very limited, right? So for me, once I realized, you know, proposals are fun as heck stressful but. There's a workflow

Alora 13:14

Mm.

Scott 13:14

could follow, you know, proposal after proposal making it very streamlined, where at times a family session can get a little crazy, right? Especially when there's little kids involved. I love my kids, but you know, they can get crazy.

Alora 13:29

Yes. Yes.

Scott 13:30

so once I realized, you know what, I like this a lot and I could do this, I did some searches for proposal photography step one was seeing what Google suggested as alternative searches on my location and New Jersey proposal photography was the main keyword. So I have keywords throughout my site for New Jersey proposal photography, New Jersey, surprise proposal photography. Photographer, you know, like differentiates that are there. But it wasn't much that I had to research. It was just then putting in the work to the keywords in the right places with it looking natural. Getting it in the right metadata, with H ones and H twos and h threes in the right places, and bolding keywords and using bullets and doing all the things. That need to get done in a nice way. it's interesting 'cause you could go to my proposal photography landing page, you'd be like, this is not pretty. doesn't have to be, you know what it's gotta, show the work. has to provide information at the same time it has to speak to the people and speak to the search engines. It's a hard task sometimes making it look beautiful. Can't get the task done,

Alora 14:42

Ooh,

Scott 14:43

yep.

Alora 14:44

an on-brand girly, so this, would stress me out. I'm like, does this, does it flow? Does it, does the color there? Okay. How, okay, how does the H one, H two, even coincide with SEO?

Scott 14:56

Yeah.

Alora 14:57

that you tell me that all plays a part like in. I don't get it. 'cause with text is text, isn't it? What difference does it make if it's H one, H two, H three, you know?

Scott 15:06

Search engines, the first thing they look for is the H one, which is typically the title of the page,

Alora 15:11

Oh,

Scott 15:12

So you actually want your keyword in the H one.

Alora 15:17

oh.

Scott 15:17

And then there's like, it can get down to the nitty gritty where not only do they want it in the H one, but they want it in the beginning of the H one. So for example, new Jersey proposal photographer, right? Let's say that was the key word that you're trying to go for right now. you'd have to come up with a headline that started with New Jersey proposal photographer. But if you're trying to think about people, you now have to. Find a way to fit that into an H one that reads better. So there's this fine line of what is more important at the time that you wanna, that you wanna on. So, but then you have H twos, which support the H one with similar keywords, things that are related, then h threes that also are part of it that, give some additional signals to the search engines that this is what the page is about but are less valuable for SEO than H two and H one, but they still play a tiny role.

Alora 16:10

So you're saying,

Scott 16:11

yeah.

Alora 16:12

H one is the title, like that's what Google brings up, and then everything else needs to support that title with variant keywords that also support the blog posts though, because I mean, you can't keep saying the same thing, or it sounds weird to a human being.

Scott 16:29

Here's an example opened another tab right now,

Alora 16:31

Great.

Scott 16:32

Okay. So my H one is surprise proposal photography.

Alora 16:37

Mm-hmm.

Scott 16:38

Nothing fancy, not like, you know, the greatest proposal photographer in New Jersey. Like, nothing fancy.

Alora 16:44

Sure.

Scott 16:44

headline that's going to attract people. It's literally surprise proposal photography. But if you go to the site, you wouldn't know it's the H one. It's just a headline above with a bunch of other texts and images and stuff like that. the first H two. On the page, which is further down below is a prize proposal photographer in New Jersey, and it's like its own section. It has more information. It actually has my story about how I documented my own proposal to my wife whatever year that was. It was a long time. 2010, I proposed to my wife. I have that as an H two. I then have some h threes that is like, I will document the magic, enjoy your moment. different like headlines that sort of support what's happening, but it's not about that. I then have an H two. That's everything you wanted to know about surprise proposal photography. And I have an H two that is how surprise proposal photography sessions work. and then in H three that start a conversation. And then the part that is like way at the bottom is a section that has links to the latest articles on my blog about proposal photography. And that H two above that is all about surprise proposal photography. So it's in there, the keywords are there, but you wouldn't look at it and be like, that's for SEO 'cause it's the way I've structured it.

Alora 18:04

Mm-hmm.

Scott 18:05

looks as it's got sections for people to go through, not just search engines.

Alora 18:11

That is so good. That was the Google juice I was looking for is like, okay, how does this sound like a person talking?

Scott 18:18

Yeah.

Alora 18:18

But it's really interesting 'cause it's almost like everything that people search about, surprise proposal photography is weaved into your one page, right?

Scott 18:27

a hundred

Alora 18:28

Yeah. Smart.

Scott 18:29

the blog content just feeds to it. Tell search engines. That's the landing page right there.

Alora 18:35

Okay. One more question. So blog posts that were strategic on your end that you knew people were asking about proposal photography. Give me like your top three best performing.

Scott 18:48

Okay, so one that's been working really well is 20 plus locations for memorable proposals in New Jersey. And it's not even, I haven't even photographed at all these locations. Some of 'em I have and I included photos from it.

Alora 19:04

Mm-hmm.

Scott 19:05

I've been to many of these locations, right?

Alora 19:08

Okay.

Scott 19:08

One thing I have is I live in a, the town I live in has a lot of fantastic locations and I would love to stop getting leads that are two hours away. 'cause like I say, I am in this county, in New Jersey. Like if you Googled it, you know where I am. Right? And. Like just yesterday I got a lead for, it's an hour and 45 minutes north the guy's gonna propose on a rowboat on a giant lake, which means I would have to rent a huge lens. 'cause how far out in the water is he gonna be? At eight 30 at night? During the summer gonna be blackout, like it's gonna be dark, right? There's not gonna be sun anymore anyway, so, I am referring that one to other photographers that are closer. But that, that's what I mean. Like, I judge everything to figure out, do I wanna go through this effort? Do I have the time to do this? No, not that one. Right. Refer. Anyway, so try to get more people booking in my town the town over. So I created a blog article, unforgettable Proposal Locations in Freehold, New Jersey. And that is starting to get traction. I've gotten a couple leads from it, but not as much as so I would say the 20 plus locations in New Jersey has gotten me, oh no, there's another I mentioned to you my Princeton University story. Okay. So an article, I'm trying to figure out, hold on, what the title of it is. But the article is about proposals at Princeton University, and that is like the main driver,

Alora 20:43

Wow.

Scott 20:44

a magical surprise proposal at Princeton University.

Alora 20:47

Hmm.

Scott 20:47

literally that's, that's the title. nothing too crazy. And I went for magical because again, this couple loved, Harry Potter.

Alora 20:56

Yeah.

Scott 20:56

And actually not all my couples set up a scene, but this one, he had two of his friends set up a beautiful scene on campus with a flower, heart and a marry me LED sign and a whole bunch of

Alora 21:12

Wow.

Scott 21:13

So the, like the BTS of. Before the, they even got there cool. Just 'cause the University campus is gorgeous. anyway, that one gets me tons of leads, especially at Princeton University. we talked about this on Imagine's podcast blogging about what you want to attract,

Alora 21:34

so, how long did this take you, like for you to realize that this SEO was working? You just kind of like. What posted one blog, two to three, and they're like, oh, I'm getting inquiries from it. How do you know what's working, what's not working, and how long did it take?

Scott 21:48

I didn't think about if it's gonna work until I made a couple YouTube videos blogged about them. And then leads started coming in from them.

Alora 21:58

Wow.

Scott 21:59

like, so there's something here. And I was talking to my wife and she's like, let's try to do some more. So I, you know, she held onto the kids and I wrote some more blog articles and then it just kept coming. So the more I do, the more leads come. And it's a crazy intense cycle.

Alora 22:17

Yeah, I mean, and how do you know? Which blog posts are bringing in leads? I guess, do they say, oh, we saw your blog, or is there like a dropdown on your contact form?

Scott 22:27

So my lead form for proposals I use Gravity Forms, which is a plugin for WordPress. And in it I can see which link drove to the form. there's a couple ways. One is that, I have a, field in the form that will tell me the URL that it came from, whether it came from Google, whether it came from GPT, whether it came from one, my blog articles, whatever it is, know exactly what link it came from. other is Google Analytics, right? That can also tell you where people are coming from. But Google Analytics has gotten very complicated over the years. And lately I've been using. A plugin for WordPress called independent analytics, which you don't have to worry about GDPR, it's all anonymous. It also integrates with form plugins including gravity forms, so I know what pages and what blog posts are on rise as far as traffic goes, as well as which are converting. With my forms. So I just look at that on a regular basis

Alora 23:37

Okay. So it's like a web of things, but it gives you all the data that you need.

Scott 23:40

Yep.

Alora 23:41

can't even picture this personally. So you say you're ranking on chat GPT. Do you know how that happened or is it just directly correlated with SEO? Like how is that going?

Scott 23:50

Right. I don't think that. I know there's people coming up with terminologies for like

Alora 23:56

Mm-hmm.

Scott 23:56

I don't think there's much to it other than optimize your site search engines first.

Alora 24:03

Mm-hmm.

Scott 24:04

The AI software, they are all utilizing engines to find the content that they're going to talk about, right? It is up to the photographer to decide am I blocking GPTs from consuming my site and utilizing my site because are they gonna scrape my photos? Yeah. Do I wanna show up when they are like chat. GPT is part of Bing. Go Gemini is part of Google now. Like they're deeply integrated. If you wanna show up in search engines when the AI results are giving you. You have to make your decision now, two years ago, I want my stuff consumed by these gpt? And if you don't, if you don't care, I mean, I don't want my photos consumed and utilized, at the same time, I want my site to show up. I want to be recommended.

Alora 24:58

Yeah.

Scott 24:59

really tough call. if you are a photographer on the side where you're saying, Nope, stay away from my photos. All right, but you're not gonna show up in the AI results. It's not gonna happen.

Alora 25:10

How do you do that? You just do, you write GPTA letter and say, don't share my information? Like how do we have control over what's on the internet?

Scott 25:17

Yeah. So if you're in WordPress, there's a plugin you can install. There's multiple that are like GPT blockers.

Alora 25:23

Oh.

Scott 25:23

a, there's a file called robots txt file that every website has, whether you know it or not. And there's like a little script you can put into that. And on the WordPress side, there's a simple plugin you can install. I don't know if like the Squarespaces and Wix and all those of the world. Have an option for it, but I'm assuming at some point if they don't now they will have an option to block.

Alora 25:46

Okay.

Scott 25:47

it's actually very easy to block at the end of the day. It's just, you've gotta know what to look for to do it. the thing is, you gotta keep in mind that Google, for example, is looking at your website's, basically, right? It's not looking at your images when it sees your image, it's looking at the alt text. For your image.

Alora 26:05

Oh.

Scott 26:06

'Cause it doesn't see the image, it just sees HTML, whereas Chachi Pates, the Claudes, the Geminis, not only are they looking at your site, they're looking at the images. So when I talk about a magical surprise proposal at Princeton University, It sees the text on the site, it also sees the photo of a proposal happening on the campus of Princeton. It recognizes, 'cause it knows what Princeton University looks like. 'cause it's crawled Princeton University already. Right. So it's in a way than your typical search engine algorithm. impressive all at the same time.

Alora 26:42

Yes, it is. What is your opinion on it? Do you feel like, like where you stand, not necessarily what everybody else should do, but like, personally you, you're like, I'm gonna keep it, you know, available for surge in chat GBT, or just knowing that there is a risk involved because Jet GBT can also take your images. does it do that? Does chat GPT take your images at all and like use them for anything? Like what is the risk I guess, of being chat? GPT searchable?

Scott 27:11

We don't know if they're just taking images when they. Are crawling your website and stuff. we don't know for certain, but there is that risk that they are doing that. Just today, I think in the news the

Alora 27:24

my.

Scott 27:25

Museum, now we're talking Holocaust. We're here. Strange shift for, for this podcast. But they just sent a legal letter to meta saying Stop using our photos of Holocaust survivors to train your ai. they found out that it was happening.

Alora 27:41

How did

Scott 27:42

You never know.

Alora 27:44

nothing is safe.

Scott 27:45

I guess people were typing in a prompt and it was coming out exactly like these Holocaust photos. So it's happening. It's, there's no way to know. It's just up to each photographer to decide, do I wanna block myself completely? you can block just the image aspect, but then that's gonna also impact your search. For where you would show, so it's you, you just have to make the decision for yourself at that point. It's the world we live in now, it's crazy.

Alora 28:15

is absolutely terrifying.

Scott 28:17

Yeah.

Alora 28:18

On a high note concerning like SEO and keyword and research and all the things that we talked about today, because I, I think it's really incredible that you can use SEO. To niche down and still be as successful as a wedding photographer. You know what I mean? Like as a surprise photographer, as any niche that to decide

Scott 28:35

Yeah.

Alora 28:35

what is the first thing that they need to do if they just need to walk away with something, they need something to do after this, because you taught a lot about the H tags, keywords, the blog posts. What do they need to do right now to get started before they do anything else?

Scott 28:50

If you have an idea for what you would want a niche down to. Map out the processes first, right before you, like, go all in, map it out, see how easy it is to replicate without driving yourself. Insane, right? You wanna make sure that it is niche, that it's consuming the amount of time that you wanted to consume, right? When I first started doing proposals, just to give you an example. When I was just figuring out my processes, it probably took me about four to five hours to plan a proposal with the client. Now it, I'm done in like an hour. You know, it's just a, you gotta figure it out and make sure can be replicated. So figure that part out and then see where your competition is, if you have any, if you don't have any you could go to Google Ads and see how many people are searching. using the Google keyword planner. Figure out how many people are actually searching for the keyword. Is it worth pursuing that? build up your referral list ahead of time because as a niche photographer you're doing this, so that you have more control in a way of your time, figuring out who you can refer to. And people that you're friends with, not just anybody. Right. The photography industry, as you know, is a very relationship driven, community driven industry. And if you haven't made friends with photographers in your area, what are you waiting for? Right? So that's important to have that list ready to go as well. And I had mine and then it grew over the years. So.

Alora 30:18

Yeah.

Scott 30:18

I would

Alora 30:19

That's amazing.

Scott 30:19

yeah, that's a good way to get started.

Alora 30:21

Yeah. Thank you so much, Scott, for coming on and just sharing your wealth of knowledge and just showing what's possible.

Scott 30:27

Mm-hmm.

Alora 30:28

Because I just know a lot of people probably think they have to do all of the things, photograph all the events to make ends meet,

Scott 30:35

Yeah.

Alora 30:35

and you could just be good at one thing and then eventually turn everybody away because you have so many inquiries. Like that is so inspiring. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Tell everybody how they can find you and yeah, work with you.

Scott 30:51

Yeah, so if you wanna check out my website or where I am on socials, I'm not a big fan of social media, but I'm there 'cause we have to be.

Alora 30:57

Yeah.

Scott 30:58

It's W-Y-D-E-N. But I also run the Imagine Community, and also host our podcast called Workflows.

Alora 31:06

Well, that was it for today's episode. I hope you guys got so much out of this SEO masterclass and see you guys next week. Bye.